Tjaša Ferme: Welcome to Theatre Tech Talks: AI, Science, and Biomedia in Theatre, a podcast produced by HowlRound Theatre Commons, a free and open platform for theatremakers worldwide.
Annemarie Hagenaars is an actor and performer with levels in astronomy and physics. She works as an actor and coach with drama-based coaching firm, Bi-Jingo; as an actor and educator at Mount Sinai Hospital; and as a enterprise developer on AI options for local weather adaptation and mitigation. She based her personal firm as an impartial theatremaker and educator, and toured the Netherlands along with her one girl present, The Story of The Einstein Woman.
Annemarie, you are an actor and an astrophysicist with levels on the identical time. That is uncommon. This combo is extraordinarily uncommon, and a few folks would declare that they are within the reverse sides of the spectrum. However I’d love to listen to the way you assume they’re related, the way you assume they complement one another, and actually about how and why did you select this path for your self?
Annemarie Hagenaars: Properly, principally once I was eight years outdated, there have been two hobbies that I had. One was astronomy. I’d go to the native observatory and take courses there. My father would drop me off each Saturday morning and I’d take a category on every part principally. And however, I used to be additionally concerned with, effectively, first the native choir, however then I found appearing, so theatre membership and astronomy membership. And that is really been the story of my life that I’ve at all times meandered between the exhausting sciences, so to say, and appearing. After which in some unspecified time in the future, effectively, I’ve at all times had an issue making an actual alternative between the 2.
I could not let go of 1 factor, even when I used to be for years full-time in appearing and taking over every kind of appearing jobs, jobs that have been completely completely different from one another. However I believe if you’re saying, what’s the similarity between the 2? Properly, I believe the main half is to have a curiosity. And the creativity of the 2 can also be… The creativeness when you concentrate on the galaxy of every part that is taking place there. So it’s important to have that creativeness. And it is the identical if you’re an actor. So creativeness is a giant half, however that analysis can also be a giant half. What I like about theatre, and also you say that I am at all times so thorough and well-prepared, and that has to do with that curiosity and analysis, thorough analysis. Each time you’re exploring a personality, that is essentially the most enjoyable half, to essentially perceive why a personality makes sure selections.
And naturally the entire psychology is available in. So my curiosity just isn’t solely in physics, it is also the mind, the human mind. After which perhaps to make it extra clear, so once I studied astronomy, which was my bachelor’s diploma, which was full on calculations, math. Math was actually heavy algebra and evaluation. It was simply math. After which after my bachelor’s diploma or throughout my bachelor’s diploma, I seen, okay, we’re doing all this math. I understand how to calculate this, however why am I calculating it this fashion? How did folks provide you with this concept? How did, for example, Einstein provide you with the speculation of normal relativity and why am I doing the calculations the best way I am doing them proper now? After which, as a result of ultimately it is folks behind these theories, it is individuals who invent the mathematics to have the ability to describe the world round us.
In order that was my fascination, and that is once I determined to do my grasp’s in historical past and philosophy of science with the emphasis on the foundations of physics and what’s the foundations of physics that is actually going behind the theories, actually diving deep into what’s behind all these theories. What is the human thought? Why did folks provide you with this?
Tjaša: I even have the identical questions. People invent every part, proper? So when you go to the paradigms, you are like, however how did you even provide you with this concept to calculate it this fashion? After which additionally, is it attainable to return to, I do not know, level zero and reinvent one thing? In human sciences, every part’s a matter of an settlement, is not it?
Annemarie: Yeah, completely. Completely. And what you’re saying about going again to level zero, sure, that is completely attainable. That is one thing Sean Carroll talks about when he talks concerning the multiverse theories and what is the Large Bang. However what I found for myself personally once I was doing my grasp’s was how, if you’re finding out physics and even in highschool if you’re finding out physics and chemistry, you are at all times introduced with: that is the reality, that is what it’s. After which once I found, once I was doing all these calculations, there’s just one approach to do that calculation to come back to the precise reply. And once I began finding out the foundations of physics, I found, oh my God. Particularly with thermodynamics for example, that concept that was developed, it nonetheless has a whole lot of holes in it.
And then you definitely uncover, wow, that is the case with a whole lot of theories in physics, they’ve holes like Swiss cheese. Physicists are nonetheless engaged on tying issues collectively that also do not make sense. And that is one thing I realized whereas I used to be doing my grasp’s and I had these weekly dialogue teams with all these individuals who have been very educated within the theories of physics. And I used to be younger, I did not know every part, and I used to be similar to, wow, folks do not know. Even my professors who’ve been on this discipline for, I do not know, forty years, they nonetheless do not know. And right here we’re discussing with one another about time journey and the implications of sure fashions of the universe that do indicate time journey, that it is perhaps attainable to time journey. And that is once I was like, wow, that is philosophy.
Tjaša: I’m curious particularly, what does level to the potential of time journey?
Annemarie: Properly, it has to do with, and this has been a very long time and I’ve to confess that I simply haven’t got time to learn up on the most recent analysis on every part, however what I keep in mind is that it has to do with completely different fashions of the universe, which observe from normal relativity concept. There are completely different shapes, so to say, of the universe. And in these calculations, so when you simply calculate in line with these fashions, then you definitely uncover in a few of these fashions, hey, wait a minute, time is curved, curled up. So it signifies that you really can return to the identical level in house and time when you simply observe the mannequin and calculate it. However that is the mannequin. We do not know if the mannequin actually displays what occurs in actuality, and that is our entire factor when the mind is available in, proper?
Tjaša: Yeah, thanks for saying that. Precisely. We do not know. Not every part’s examined and confirmed. And I like that you simply have been speaking about Swiss cheese as a result of then it type of turns into apparent that as a way to refill the gaps in anyone’s concept, you do have to make use of a whole lot of creativeness after which speculative fashions and calculating. Nevertheless it’s virtually just like the creativeness is the precursor that offers you the concept you afterward begin engaged on and attempting to see if you may make a mathematical method out of.
Annemarie: Sure. And that is why that is precisely the overlap between artists and really, very profitable physicists. In order that’s once I at all times defined it throughout my lectures once I gave a lecture earlier than I carried out The Einstein Woman, typically after in faculties, universities, I’d at all times display it with, we at all times assume that artists are on one aspect of the spectrum and physicists are on the opposite aspect, that it is this line they usually’re so separate from one another. Artists, there’s this cliche, oh, I can not do math. I used to be by no means good at math. After which the physicists are like, oh, however me, and I’m not inventive in any respect. However really, when you might have sensible artists and you’ve got sensible physicists or sensible creatives, so to say, principally… And Einstein is a good instance of that. It is like a circle.
Tjaša: I am simply realizing as we’re speaking concerning the spectrum, once I was writing down the query for you, I first wrote a part of the spectrum, after which I used to be like, oh, really English says aspect of the spectrum, which signifies this duality, this two-dimensionality of it. Such as you stated, it is on one line. It is going from previous to the longer term. It looks as if it is at all times one line, and it is far more than that. Initially, a spectrum I believe is normally introduced as a circle, proper? It is like a coloration palette. It is a spectrum of colours. It is spherical. And so it is so humorous how limiting the language and the grammar in itself is, and when you begin simply questioning the differentiation between how we visually characterize one thing and the way it’s manifested in a language or in a written phrase, already there, there’s an entire spectrum of potentialities, proper? 1,000,000 of the shades of grey.
Annemarie: Yeah, completely. I learn this guide as soon as by Hugh Brody, The Different Facet of Paradise or one thing. That had such an influence on me as a result of that guide was actually about, effectively, to start with, his entire analysis on the Inuit and the way the Inuit don’t have that duality constructed of their language whereas in western society, duality can be a factor. And he introduced it as that it needed to do with our monotheistic religions that someway good and dangerous, darkish and lightweight. However I believe that’s one thing we construct in each a part of society. So what we simply stated about that one line, artists can’t do math and physicists can’t be inventive artists, like, no, it’s not true.
Tjaša: That’s true. If I keep in mind appropriately, you studied philosophy and time in physics. Inform us extra, just a bit bit extra about what that’s and what did you uncover, or if in case you have any working theories of your personal.
We’re dwelling within the now, and the now’s principally that current that is shifting alongside that line, however we will not seize that in physics. We won’t seize that within the legal guidelines of physics, that motion, that move.
Annemarie: Once I did my grasp’s in foundations of physics, I additionally found about this discrepancy about how we describe time in physics, within the formulation with the parameter T and the way we expertise time in our each day lives. And one massive factor is that in physics, within the formulation of physics, we will not describe that move of time, that feeling that the current strikes, that point is one dimensional in an arrow that goes towards the longer term. And there is the factor, the best way we describe it’s as a line the place the current is shifting alongside that line of tying factors. We have now the previous behind us, the longer term in entrance of us. It is a very spatial illustration. We speak about time in spatial metaphors. That is how we describe time as effectively within the bodily theories. That is what Einstein principally does in his concept of normal relativity.
It isn’t precisely the identical, however he treats time as a fourth spatial dimension in his ideas to think about it. So once I found that point was so problematic, the philosophy of physics, I’ve at all times been fascinated about how time passes by, how we expertise time that you simply make selections and that these selections, you may’t return in time to repair that. It is so definitive actually, shifting alongside that timeline of the mounted previous, one thing that occurred, after which the longer term with these thousands and thousands of potentialities. And all of it will depend on the now. We’re dwelling within the now, and the now’s principally that current that is shifting alongside that line, however we will not seize that in physics. We won’t seize that within the legal guidelines of physics, that motion, that move. And that was what my thesis was about.
So it was a few cognitive perspective on the move of time in physics, which is principally, I drew from current analysis from the cognitive sciences on how time is perceived within the mind to get some solutions on how we would bridge that hole between how we describe time in physics and the way we understand time in our each day lives, which has been an issue for the reason that Greeks. The Greeks have been already eager about, and perhaps approach earlier than then, how is that attainable?
Tjaša: I like what you are saying. I used to be simply attempting to think about what you have been describing. And what I found was that oftentimes I really expertise time in bubbles. Proper now we’re speaking a few sure matter. As we’re dialoguing a few sure matter, I really feel like this time is definitely a bubble of curiosity. And till we transfer onto the following topic or I’m eager about the following query that I will ask you, I do not actually really understand time as a result of I’m in time.
Annemarie: Sure, and that is actually what the mind does. So what I additionally found throughout that analysis is strictly what you’re describing. After we are very a lot engaged within the second, we lose monitor of time and time passes by actually shortly in order that we really feel like, oh my God, that move of time is sped up whereas in physics, after we measure the time, which we do with clocks, no, it is the identical pace. So the place you are within the now, it is completely different from when trying again. It is due to the completely different snapshots that the mind makes with the reminiscence. So reminiscence has a huge effect on our notion of time after we’re trying again.
Tjaša: That is an incredible rationalization. That makes whole sense. It additionally looks like when you’re listening to time, then time runs slowly. As quickly as you begin paying deep consideration to one thing else, the time runs. I’ve had moments the place from 3:03 to three:07, I skilled three hours of deep thought. You understand what I imply? Typically if you actually should… I really feel just like the deep focus actually unlocks this ecstasy of presence. Ecstasy of presence and on the identical time, there’s a approach perceptually to expertise virtually opening a window and getting one other three hours or one thing like that. This has occurred, I do not know, in my private expertise, as soon as once I was making use of for a grant and I actually had an hour to write down the grant, which is unattainable, however I used to be extremely motivated, and I had some individuals who have been extremely encouraging.
So I do not forget that between 3:03 and three:09, I wrote the complete grant. It gave me three hours, these six minutes, which I do not know the way that is attainable besides that I went so deep into the issue of what I used to be attempting to untangle that my very own being was ethereal, and perhaps it was not certain to time or common mind constraints in the case of how a lot you are able to do in a sure period of time.
Annemarie: That is proper. It is since you’ve already spent a lot preparation, a lot thought into it that within the quick period of time, you may actually create one thing that that is it. And that is why concepts come right away, proper?
Tjaša: Yeah. Yeah.
Annemarie: It is like unexpectedly you have accomplished a lot mulling over and you have a lot thought, after which unexpectedly that mild bulb goes on, and then you definitely’re like, wow, that is what it’s. After which all of it clicks collectively.
Tjaša: I’ve an thought. So perhaps if you’re pondering one thing over and also you’re solely attempting to create connections amongst completely different notions, not that it is linear, however you are touring the gap between one notion to a different to create a relationship between them. And as soon as you have created a relationship between them, the reminiscence consolidates and it turns into virtually like a curved house in your mind. And unexpectedly this, I do not know, condensed right into a dendrite or one thing, however principally the time traveled if you have been making this connection is now approach, approach, approach, approach shorter since you’ve established the connection between them.
Annemarie: Yeah. Yeah.
Tjaša: Your fascinating present, The Story of The Einstein Woman begins with the method that features the massive L at which you then speculate that stands for love. I used to be curious, the place did the method come from? Did you originate it? And may you briefly clarify it to the listeners?
Annemarie: So this concept, the Lagrangian, so the well-known equation, the beginning of that half is a letter that exists on the web. I discovered that letter unexpectedly, and no one is aware of who wrote it. And a few years again in 2015, I imagine, folks thought that there was really a letter of Einstein to his daughter, and it was simply floating round on the web, but it surely seems to be a pretend letter. So it isn’t from Einstein in any respect. Who wrote it, no one is aware of. It is simply on the market on the web. I do know some journalists did some thorough analysis to search out out if this letter was pretend or not, and it seems to be pretend, but it surely’s principally a letter, a love letter to his daughter. And I did not use the total letter and I modified it right here and there.
And the method that I modified it to, the L stands for a normal type of power, which is the Lagrangian, as a result of the unique equation, that was actually true. After all, everyone knows the well-known equation, E = mc², however in his unique paper, Einstein, when he writes about that, it is really not the E, he makes use of the L, which is the Lagrangian. That is a normal type of power. That is only a completely different parameter to explain it. Afterward, it turned power. However that is when the thought got here up like, oh, wait a minute, the Lagrangian, what if the interpretation could be love after which begin the play that approach? That was once more impressed by this pretend letter who writes about that. After which discovering that in his first article it wasn’t really E = mc², it is Lagrangian, it is L=mc². It is like, okay, effectively, perhaps we will flip that into love and begin from there and see what occurs.
Tjaša: So principally L as love is totally your hypothesis?
Annemarie: Yeah.
I believe love is essentially the most highly effective type of power, and that is what I needed to play with… There have to be one thing bodily round us.
Tjaša: Okay. That is superior. Do you imagine in it? Do you wish to imagine in it?
Annemarie: Properly, I do imagine that love is power, that there’s a approach we will take into consideration power, like constructive power. All of us have these completely different associations with power, power could be unfavourable, could be dangerous, however ultimately, I believe love is essentially the most highly effective type of power, and that is what I needed to play with on this model. There have to be one thing bodily round us. It is perhaps one thing that future physicists will actually discover out after they work along with cognitive scientists. That is why these two fields, they should merge. They should work with each other as a result of what I believe that there is this energetic discipline that we will faucet into with our brains as a result of it is all electrical energy ultimately. And that we will have that communal or that neighborhood thought, and that additionally would possibly clarify why typically we really feel that the universe is giving us one thing after we actually work exhausting for one thing and serendipity occurs.
You’ll be able to’t actually clarify it, why it occurs at that second, at the moment, however someway the universe is throwing one thing again at you. So to say, hey, hear, you’re heading in the right direction. Hold going. And you may have a thousand explanations for that, however I discover it very attention-grabbing to see how can we clarify a social cognitive science, not only one mind, however simply the entire neighborhood they usually’re doing a whole lot of analysis in that. Like simply what occurs with folks watching the identical present, the identical theatre present? What occurs to folks’s brains and is there some superposition of various brainwaves of individuals if all of them are in the identical state? Quantum mechanical virtually, that you’ve brains in the identical state what occurs when all people has that feeling? It turns into greater. There is a discipline of waves occurring in that theatre, proper?
And I believe that is simply an instance of one thing actually native, however what if that occurs on an enormous scale all all over the world? Which may additionally clarify, I do not know, why some innovations have been accomplished prior to now independently from each other, however across the identical time interval as if humanity was prepared for that invention and in numerous spots with out realizing, folks got here up with the identical type of innovations. I do not know, I am simply throwing that out. I do not know, there have to be different explanations, however so that is what discover it fascinating.
Tjaša: I additionally discover fascinating what occurs, to illustrate in a theatre when all people’s experiencing the identical thought or the identical power or the identical elevated psychological house. They’ve one thousand folks or 100 folks meditating on the town squares, and straight away they will see that the extent of crime decreases by, I do not know, 60 p.c in such locations. There’s been a whole lot of instances like that so sure, what does this imply for our theatre, communal theatre experiences? You stated that the fields of physics and cognitive concept or cognitive sciences should be related. And I believe really that actors are the right tissue in between as a result of we’re embodied, however in some methods we’re masters of the embodiment. We normally know methods to modulate our ideas, methods to modulate our feelings, methods to modulate our energies and our physique. That is rather a lot. What’s reality about The Einstein Woman and what’s fiction?
Annemarie: Okay, so what’s reality? So she actually existed. So she was born in 1902, and actually no one is aware of what occurs to her. The one reference that we’ve got is that she’s talked about in a few letters between Einstein and his first spouse, Mileva Maric. And people letters have been present in 1986, as a result of that is when these letters I believe have been launched. They have been donated to the Einstein Papers Undertaking that was began. I believe Einstein’s, was it his granddaughter, however I believe her identify is Evelyn Einstein, however she discovered these household letters and he or she donated them to the Einstein Papers Undertaking. And there was a physicist who labored on that challenge, and he found it. So he found within the letters, wow, there’s really a daughter, however no one is aware of what occurred to her.
So Philip Sington, he is a novelist and he writes superb books during which he makes use of issues from historical past and creates his personal story. So he created this story as effectively, The Einstein Woman, what if she continues to be alive and he or she’s on the lookout for her dad and mom? She’s occurring a search who her actual dad and mom are, after which discovers that she’s Einstein’s daughter. What do you do with that info?
Tjaša: That was the premise that then launched you into beginning to write your personal one girl present about it. What did you’re taking liberties with? What did you invent on this story? And what have been perhaps a number of the mysteries that have been attracting you to start out this challenge within the first place?
Annemarie: So to start with, Philip Sington’s novel was a present from a pal of mine once I graduated in 2009. So once I graduated on the historical past and philosophy of physics, certainly one of my associates gave me this guide as a present, and I learn the guide and every part got here collectively. Historical past, philosophy, physics, psychology, every part I discovered fascinating got here collectively on this novel of Philip Sington and I assumed, oh, I’ve to do one thing with this. However Philip Sington’s novel was written from the attitude of the physician, of the psychiatrist who treats the lady, so it is his story. It is his story of him falling in love along with her, that he can not help himself. He is engaged to a different girl, however there’s an entire… His brother was an astronomer who acquired killed within the World Battle II. He himself was a psychiatrist who handled all these colleagues of his who have been doing these Nazi experiments within the basement on sufferers as a result of it was located in Berlin throughout the Nazi time.
So all that fascinating historical past got here collectively, however I assumed, what if I write one thing from the attitude of the woman? How is the woman, this girl experiencing her reminiscence loss, her identification loss, her quest for understanding who she is, after which discovering that she’s Einstein’s daughter? What would that really feel like? After which as a way to describe that, yeah, I took quite a few liberties. I used Sington’s novel as a base, as a supply of inspiration for the story itself, however then I regarded for metaphors from physics to explain that feeling what that girl should undergo. And that is once I simply got here up with this metaphor of the black gap, as a result of principally when info will get sucked right into a black gap, it simply stays in there and it may possibly’t exit. So I take advantage of the metaphor of her mind, of there’s info in there in her unconscious. She has details about who she is. It is simply not getting out. It isn’t coming to the acutely aware floor.
In order that’s how I take advantage of that metaphor of the black gap to explain her reminiscence loss. After which these recollections are the sunshine rays. Gentle rays that get caught within the black gap they usually cannot come out, however black holes, in line with Steven Hawking, can evaporate. To allow them to ultimately launch that mild once more after which evaporate in order that’s one thing that I take advantage of as effectively by way of the story. Finally, her black gap evaporates. She remembers once more who she is. There’s little mild rays that come out, little recollections that escape to her consciousness. And in order that’s that metaphor that I used. After which there’s the opposite metaphor. There’s the metaphor from quantum mechanics, that quantum mechanics, initially the bottom, the muse of quantum mechanics is Einstein got here up with that in certainly one of his papers in 1905, however he denied the speculation. And principally that is what occurred within the story to his daughter as effectively.
Tjaša: Yeah, he made her after which denied her. Oh my gosh.
Annemarie: That he made her then denied her. Yeah.
Tjaša: I see a sample. Jesus.
Annemarie: Yeah. So these are the 2 metaphors that I used to inform her story, to convey her expertise to the viewers. And relying on whether or not you already know extra about reminiscence loss or a black gap, and that is that story of the supply and goal domains of metaphors, relying on what your base information is, you be taught new issues about different domains by constructing analogies. That is how we be taught. That is how human beings be taught new information. It is constructing a relationship between completely different ideas. However when you’re a physicist, you’re in all probability extra aware of the outline of a black gap, after which going into the psyche of a younger girl who loses her reminiscence, that is perhaps one thing new that you simply be taught. On the opposite approach or the opposite approach round, in case you are a psychologist or in case you are somebody who ever skilled reminiscence loss, you are like, wait a minute. I am studying a brand new idea concerning the black gap. So apparently this black gap sucks in every part and it may possibly’t get out. Yeah, that is the concept of utilizing metaphors from physics to assist create storytelling.
Tjaša: I so loved the vulnerability and the exploration of this character, of The Einstein Woman once I noticed her. After all, as a theatre particular person I used to be very within the, not discrepancy, however simply two other ways of the way you labored with the identical textual content principally in two completely different nations, in two completely different languages with two completely different administrators. So how the aesthetics of the nation and cultural traits actually affect our notion of storytelling and appearing.
Annemarie: Yeah, completely. That is sensible. It is a distinction.
Tjaša: What are you discovering within the Netherlands? What are you discovering that the theatre aesthetics is?
Annemarie: So once I did these two completely different variations of the story of The Einstein Woman again in I’d say 2012. So I did an experiment with the viewers throughout the Amsterdam Fringe Competition. The primary weekend I carried out one model, the Dutch model which I had labored on with a Dutch director, completely different music, completely different mild. After which the following weekend I’d carry out the American model, which additionally had completely different music fully. It was the identical script, and that was about the one factor that was the identical. My appearing type was completely different. My entire mise-en-scène, how I moved on stage was completely different. And we had a totally completely different engineer engaged on the lights, and that was very fascinating. When folks got here again the following weekend, and I requested them to write down down what their expertise was. There have been some individuals who noticed one present and never the opposite, however there have been individuals who noticed each reveals.
And people individuals who have been extra into books have a tendency to love the Dutch model higher as a result of that they had extra room to think about, as a result of the American model was extra cinematic in a way. So individuals who have been used to going to movies and watching American movies, they appreciated the American model extra as a result of I had actually labored with the director like a fourth wall actually virtually within the technique type of type as a result of this director had taught on the Lee Strasberg Theater and Movie Institute, and that is how I met him, and that is after we determined to work collectively on this play. In order that was actually fascinating. Whereas with the Dutch director, it was extra targeted on approach virtually. So I labored along with her on my voice, I labored along with her on dance actions on stage. We actually labored on the visible whereas with the American director I actually labored on my inside lifetime of the character itself. So it was two completely completely different processes, however each fascinating and each very useful for me in my improvement as an actor.
Tjaša: You are so courageous and so adventurous. Who would tackle doing a one girl present after which do two completely different variations with two completely different texts, with two completely different types? That is virtually loopy. I am so pleased with you. That is insane. It is an enormous endeavor to do one thing like that. Nevertheless it additionally reveals your, let’s simply say extra sciencey a part of you that is perhaps within the experiment and never a lot into, or as effectively alongside the immersion that I believe that each one actors search this whole immersion of being in one thing.
Annemarie: Yeah, completely. And to make it much more difficult, once I went to colleges and universities for them to guide my present, together with a lecture, I supplied them 4 completely different choices. I supplied them the Dutch model in both the Dutch language or the English language, or the American directed model in both Dutch or within the English language. So there have been principally 4 completely different variations that I supplied them.
Tjaša: Oh my God. I believe that is perhaps your inventive strategy to demonstrating Heisenberg’s uncertainty precept. What do you assume?
Annemarie: Yeah, as a result of typically, in fact, if I’d do the Dutch model within the English language typically I seen that my American model would come by way of as a result of I used to be used to engaged on this American model in English. So it will turn into a mix. It could be typically very troublesome for me to essentially distract the 2.
Tjaša: I can think about how that might be exhausting. That is tremendous exhausting. People are simply creatures of behavior, and our unconscious is simply so huge and clearly when you memorize one thing, it does turn into an enormous a part of the unconscious. And so I believe that the actor’s freedom really comes from this automation. The textual content and the reside comes from the unconscious, and clearly there’s different issues that you’re consciously directing when it comes to power. However I believe that is a really robust experiment for an actor. I ponder, what are the longer term alternatives of when our listeners can see or hear The Einstein Woman, and what else is cooking for you? What else are you engaged on that is mixing the huge discipline of physics, astrophysics, philosophy, historical past, paradigm shifting and appearing and theatre?
Annemarie: You understand what it’s? I’ve a whole lot of concepts, however the hardest factor is to essentially put these concepts actually into concrete scripts. What I’ve accomplished prior to now, in these couple of years I’ve accomplished a whole lot of collaborative initiatives like Bioadapted, like working with an organization like Gorilla Science and actually discovering different collaborations to work on science and artwork initiatives. I have never actually labored by myself initiatives as a lot. So yeah, there are a whole lot of concepts, I simply should—
Tjaša: Okay. So for everyone that wishes to collaborate together with your fantastic self, the place can we discover you? What is the web site? Instagram?
Annemarie: Oh, you may positively discover me on annemariehagenaars.com. In order that’s my web site.
Tjaša: The place are the 2 A’s? Simply inform us the place the 2 A’s are.
Annemarie: Oh, yeah, yeah. So Hagenaars is spelled H-A-G-E-N-A-A-R-S.
Tjaša: Yeah, you like the LinkedIn. You are utilizing it very effectively. I’ve stuff to be taught from you. I can not cope with so many platforms.
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